time to ask a question. I've narrowed my selectoin to LSR and XMF. the LSR is +2 foward and XMF is +0 forward. Is there an advantage to the longer wheel base other than easier to start up a dune face.
I just put on the twisted laboratories +6 and I rocks. It is +2 longer in the rear and +1" in the front for an additional 3" overall. Here is thier website Twisted Laboratories - Long Travel Suspension
I dont know the advantages.....but most that dont go forward with the arms do that for short course. The rhino wants to push when the front arms are pushed forward
it keeps the stock steering geometry not moving it forward, it steers way better IMO, LT cars are kinda hard to turn at slow speeds. also the lsr is 6.5 not 6, so axles are harder to find, you have to use thiers or have some made, 6" axles are everywhere. ive broken 4 axles on mine and found a spare in the dunes all 4 times!!! this is important IMO
Thanks for the replies guys :good:. i guess the next question would be do you really break axles that often where that is a concern. And do you still slam into the bottom of a dune when you are hauling ass to make it up with a long travel with +0 froward
i drive pretty dumb is why i break them, they dont break that much if you dont do really big jumps, you get some sandblast in your face sometimes, but no slamming really, i wouldnt think it affects anything but steering geo
LSR steers just as easy as Stock, or you can set it up to steer harder for high speed desert or short course. you have the option, unlike other kits.
lifetime warranty on axles from LSR also. even Gorilla does not do that.
Disadvantage is that it is heavy, but very strong!!!!
If I bought another kit it would an HRT motorsports sheet metal kit with adj fox shocks, lightweight, very strong, and turn better than most any kit out there, period!!!
what has HRT ever won? LOL duh JK
i agree, whatever todd does seems to kick ass!!
lifetime warranty is great, but if you break in the dunes your weekend is done, a standard 6 over can be swapped from many other kits in a pinch if needed, i bummed a gearone axle at the brp meet last year and it fit perfect, will be much harder to find a 6.5 in G IMO, not bashing LSR, the kit is insane and race proven, just the size is weird to me, does the .5" give any more travel?
Now you done it! (lol) dose the the hrt kit have the same warranty that lsr dose and stand behind their product as well with good service. I'm not trying to start a long travel debate just that 5000$ is alot of money.
Thank god LSR warrantys the axles, they break a lot. They only warranty them if your the original purchaser of the kit and can prove it. Even if you go buy an axle from them, and it breaks they wont warranty it if you cant prove your the original purchaser of the kit is what i'm hearing.
Ok so here is another question to throw in the mix. The shock towers, worth it or not? Too much for a rhino? What exactly is the advantage to running them? Can you run a better shock with more travel or is it mearly the relocation of the shock for better pivot?
Ok so here is another question to throw in the mix. The shock towers, worth it or not? Too much for a rhino? What exactly is the advantage to running them? Can you run a better shock with more travel or is it mearly the relocation of the shock for better pivot?
Yes it gives you more travel, And yes HRT stands behind their product, not many warranty axles from any kit, very few. HRT uses Sommers brothers axles ( just like Magnum does) in either 300m or chromoly, or you can upgrade to Gorillas if you want I believe.
i would never use gorillas, they are to hard to change, sommers bros are killer axles!!!! although ive broke 2, but thats just me, and it was in a rollover, so that doesnt count..
i would never use gorillas, they are to hard to change, sommers bros are killer axles!!!! although ive broke 2, but thats just me, and it was in a rollover, so that doesnt count..
Towers are way overrated. Its a sales gimmik. Proper shock spring and valve rates are what's important. Also if the same length shocks are used with and without towers, there is less travel with towers.
Towers are way overrated. Its a sales gimmik. Proper shock spring and valve rates are what's important. Also if the same length shocks are used with and without towers, there is less travel with towers.
Moving the axles forward 2 inches is not the culprit of the steering problems it is proper caster and camber angles and the steering ackerman. LSR now has a bushing kit so you can adjust the caster. As far as kits go I sell them both but I think at this point for availability and customer service the XMF is the way to go. They now have ELKA's available my preference would be XMF with ELKA's over the WER's.
Roger how do you explain Dan winning the last CORR race on Saturday mostly due to corning. I agree Dans car did not work well at first but after having a tuner there to help at the CORR race it worked much better.
AZ Court if shock towers are over rated and a gimick why is XMF building new race cars with longer shocks and shock towers. You can ask Jimmy and Scott I have talked to them both, it is very hard to achieve the proper dampening with shocks that are the lengths they are. When you have drivers like Bobby and Dan that can out drive the car its time for more fluid displacement and the only way to do that is with more shock body to hold more fluid.
Roger how do you explain Dan winning the last CORR race on Saturday mostly due to corning. I agree Dans car did not work well at first but after having a tuner there to help at the CORR race it worked much better.
AZ Court if shock towers are over rated and a gimick why is XMF building new race cars with longer shocks and shock towers. You can ask Jimmy and Scott I have talked to them both, it is very hard to achieve the proper dampening with shocks that are the lengths they are. When you have drivers like Bobby and Dan that can out drive the car its time for more fluid displacement and the only way to do that is with more shock body to hold more fluid.
Chad George Funco Robert VanBeekum XMF Todd Arthur HRT RJ Anderson XMF RZR Corry Weller XMF Luke Johnson Mafia IND RZR Dan Kelly FST Doug Mittag Mafia IND RZR Brent Fouch Mafia IND RZR Ulysses Belardes ?? RZR
Lt disscussion alway turns into a pissing match. There are several good kits out there....Its all about who is close and provides the right customer service:good:
ohhh you sumamabitch.............LOL...........seriously though, those spikes are scary! what if he just jammed it into reverse.....he could skewer the whole field! Racing would never be the same!
I have met Dan, he is a great guy, I have talked to him everytime I have been to CORR. He can Drive better than his car will allow, I here it is getting better every race.
STIFF! Thats how the shocks should be! When the shock guys tell you that you have too much compression and if you add more you will have too much fade, tell him to STFU and add more compression! It works!
STIFF! Thats how the shocks should be! When the shock guys tell you that you have too much compression and if you add more you will have too much fade, tell him to STFU and add more compression! It works!
Sorry thriller, this is a bad subject every time on every forum.
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