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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 01-26-2010, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
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Oregon Dunes: Love Them or Get Kicked Out

Please broadcast this 10-C Travel Management Plan information to all
ATV enthusiasts in your address book and any ATV shops (etc.) in your areas.

Briefly, this affects Florence, Winchester Bay and Spinreel/Hauser
sand dunes riding area. We are about to lose many of our dunes riding areas
unless this information is taken to heart.
Please save the first website link as a favorite to keep up on past,
present and future meetings, the minutes and important dates upcoming.
If this does not pertain to you directly, then please pass it on to
someone that can help

Bottom Line: get involved or lose dune riding

> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:35:09 -0600
> Subject: Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
> Oregon Dunes, OHV enthusiast are the Endangered Species.
> Like you, I am an avid OHV enthusiast. We are family, we love our chosen
> sport and we are environmentalist. The greenies could care less and are
> willing to put large sums of money to kill our recreation.
> I want to get the word out through an educational effort that in the 1994
> Forest Plan, the FS closed all but 36% of the ODNRA (Oregon Dunes National
> Recreation Area). Of that 36%; 15% is designated "routes only". To use
> their language, they Zoned the dunes. Attached is the Zoning and history.
> 10A is closed, 10B is open riding and 10C is Designated Routes only. The
> rest of the zoning is self explanatory. Part of this plan is to create
> "Work Groups" to review the 10C and come up with recommendations to where
> the trails are going to be within the 10C. I am part of that work group.
> Please go on line to see this information:
> Siuslaw National Forest - Oregon Dunes NRA OHV Designated Routes.
> They just made it official that 15% (10C) will be closed with the
> exception of a very few connector trails that the work group is deciding
> upon now. Please understand that the workgroup is only an advisory group
> and the Forest Service is obligated to look at all options before they
> make the final decision. In other words, they will do what they want. They
> are anticipating a law suit from the greenies challenging their decision
> one way or the other. The greenies have already sued to stop the trail for
> Riley Ranch access. We have advanced notice through this law suit that we
> must step up with our written efforts and our pocket books to fight back.
> They want it all closed and designated Wilderness. Ignorance is not
> Bliss! We must educate ourselves to understand that this is not the end.
> They are going to do a new Forest plan in 2014 so we must band together.
> California and Washington OHV groups have done a fairly good job of
> working together but the Oregon effort is poor and spotty at best. When I
> got involved with this work group I was very ignorant. I am not ignorant
> anymore, I am SCARED. If we do not get involved we will as a group lose
> what we have left and we all will be STUPID because we did not get
> involved.
> What we have left to ride on is about 25% of the 28,930 acres of the
> ODNRA, only about 7,200 acres will be open to riding. We just went through
> the process at the Middle Dunes (Winchester) which does not have much 10C
> but Banshee Hill is in the mix. The North Riding Area (Florence) is scary
> at best with most of the plantation stands off the table. By the map, half
> of the Florence dunes are in play. The Southern Riding area (Coos Bay) is
> being looked at in the next month. The public is invited to these meetings
> so go on the FS web page above to get the dates and locations.
> Some lessons learned are the economic impact and the safety of riders is
> very low on the priority list. VERY LOW. The Forest Service charter is to
> manage "Resources" first and foremost. That means vegetation, wetlands,
> and Critical Habitat for plants and animals. We are indeed an endangered
> species in the ODNRA. I thought that any economic impact would be huge. If
> you look at what the FS and BLM did with the spotted owl, then you can
> clearly see that economics will not come into play. That killed an
> industry and left the Pacific Northwest without jobs and money. The way
> they are going to regulate safety is to limit the amount of riders that
> can enjoy the dunes on any given weekend. They have already studied how
> many riders the 25% of dunes available can hold without hurting ourselves.
> Restrictions are a given.
> Hopefully you can see why I am SCARED. We do have one very important
> opportunity that I feel we need to legally pursue. That is the simple,
> well documented fact that the dunes are being choked off and are indeed
> dying. The European Beach Grass planted in the early 1910 is slowly but
> surly killing the dunes. It is also killing Snowy Plover Habitat. We are
> the only cost effective documented way of killing the beach grass. I will
> try and post several research papers documenting this fact. A brief
> explanation is the dunes were created with sand flowing out of the Umpqua
> River. The wind and surf would push and blew the sand inland and
> accumulate to the dunes we see today. The beach grass is building the
> walls you see on the beach and the sand has stopped moving inland. As the
> grass stabilizes flowing sand that allows other bad plants like scotch
> broom to grow and eventually trees and forest that do not belong there. It
> has also killed grasses and plants that are native to the dunes. The FS
> and the BLM simply do not know what to do so they just keep doing what
> they always have and manage this "new" vegetation like it was always
> there. Flowing Sand is not Forest. The greenies are pushing this view as
> they want nobody in the dunes. The other point we must make is the fact
> that the bad vegetation is not just standing still but growing
> exponentially faster. The longer they wait the worse it gets.
> A Call to action.
> What I am proposing to do as the next step is to work together to build a
> war chest to start legal action against the Forest Service. They need to
> continue to move ahead with a trail access for Riley Ranch. We also need
> to start legal action against the Forest Service to allow OHV access to
> more areas to kill beach grass. We must understand that they do have to
> manage the ODNRA for other users so let them have the 60% that is now
> closed for other uses. Those dunes will eventually die anyway and if that
> is what they want then let it happen. Seems stupid to me but... I propose
> to work with the Blue Ribbon Coalition
> Legal Action Update, December 2009 - BlueRibbon Magazine and have them set
> up a place on their web page for us to go in and donate money. We need a
> commitment from ourselves to the BRC to fund any legal action moving
> forward. Please visit the BRC and let them know you are willing to donate.
> We do not need a bunch of money to start the legal action. If the 300,000
> or so OHV folks that visit the ODNRA donated a buck we would have plenty.
> I also encourage folks to join the BRC as they have successfully stopped
> the greenies across the US from closures. I am a Lifetime Member and very
> proud of it.
> One other point I must bring up that is very unpopular among OHVers is the
> noise we make. The legal noise limit on the ODNRA is 93 db. I will not
> argue whether this is right or wrong, it is just a fact. I have finally
> found a chamber muffler for my Raptor 700 that gives me plenty of power
> and still stays within legal limits. I am in no way advocating this brand
> but there are very few manufactures that are willing to give us good power
> and keep the noise to a legal limit. Repacking is a waste of time
> especially with the 450. That manufacture is Leo Vince. Ron Gray at Bay
> Area Yamaha has them and they are not that expensive. Hopefully American
> Manufactures will start making these chamber type mufflers available. You
> have no idea how much grief we are taking with the Work Group and we are
> killing ourselves with this single issue. Please ride in the ODNRA within
> legal limits. If you can not, please stay away. I want to ride in the
> dunes, not make a point that my whanger is bigger than yours.
> Please work with your respective groups to assign a single person that can
> communicate with me so I can manage answers to any questions. This is real
> and we have already lost too much. I would love to set up a conference
> type call with your groups to discuss this and any questions you may have.
> We are trying to set up a web page so folks can talk about this. I am not
> a tech savvy guy so Barbara and Lance Rowland in Florence will help. I
> will let you know ASAP.
> Please get back to your designated group member that you are willing to be
> a part of the effort and donate money. Also forward this on to whom you
> feel is appropriate. The more the merrier.
> Thanks so much,
> Jody Phillips
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 01-28-2010, 05:55 PM
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Do you have BRC working on this and ASA???
The BEST thing people can do is donate $$$ to these two org. they are very proactive in helping to fight this...
LBR's right, we gotta stand up against these freaks...

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post #3 of 4 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 09:53 AM Thread Starter
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The letter was drafted by a BRC member who is also 1 of 14 members of the 10-C Travel Management Plan committee - we are just now gaining momentum on organizing a stand against this, the BRC needs to follow our track record a bit before spending time and $$$ on our behalf to know our intent is genuine.

All here need to perk up - the Az. Rep. Grijalva is marching to close down land from our motorized use and EVEN MOUNTAIN BIKES!! Grennies are starting to eat their own - where you going to ride your UTVs then guys? I for one have too much money into my SxS to only enjoy it on my backyard racetrack. Then all forms of racing will be next on the chopping block - Atv, Utv, Drag Racing, Nascar.....

All are going to wake up one morning in a few years and say "what the heck just happened?" - I won't post a link to our battle as no-one here would probably care, but you Az./lower Ca. peeps need to re-direct your pissy attitudes towards your government and the right to ride instead of each other on these forums....just saying...........LBR
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post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 04-25-2010, 10:41 AM
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Ditto . . .whenever possible post concerns at the EPA and DEQ level when public input is requested.
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