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Things aren't looking to good. I had my engine built up to a 686 and it blew a rod about 2 months later. I've been back and forth with Alba over the last couple of days and the only explanation that I've gotten, in many different ways, is that, due to "OEM component failure" the rod snapped and blew through the cases, shredding through multiple components on it's way out.

Unfortunately, I really don't know all that much about engines.....so I haven't had much of an argument. In their explanation, I was told that Yamaha engines were natorious for this type of issue. For whatever reason, the rods have proven themselves to be a weak component in the engine and, other than upgrading to a heavier duty aftermarkent version, there was really no way to tell if or when it would ever happen. If that was the case, I would think that they would have recommended upgrading the stock rod in their long list of other recomended upgrades to do while building up to their 686 kit.

Fortunately, I have insurance on the rhino.....but guess what, my agent is basically giving the big hairy middle finger. According to him, the policy isn't meant to cover mechanical failure; however, if it was a result of some type of accident, wink wink, then I might have a viable claim.

So, as it stands, I'm stuck with an engineless rhino and a huge parts and labor list ($7,250.00).

What do you guys think? At this point I obviously need an engine. I'd hate to go back to stock with a used 660 but I know it would probably be the least expensive route. Shitty part about that......I know that before the 686, I was always let down with the lack of power.

I could pay to have my engine rebuilt back up but I honestly feel that I'm being over charged for the repairs. The engine ran incredibly, for the one trip I had it for, but I can't see paying the $7,250.00. If I do decide to get it rebuilt, I'll more than likely end up taking it to Chris @ Benchmark for a second opinion. I've heard really good things about his builds and feel confident that he could get me back on my feet.

Honestly, for that kind of money, I'd rather get nuts deep into a full on swap to a rotax 800. I spoke with a couple of the guys from here on the forum and if my math is right, I'd probably be out around the same amount of money. Atleast with the rotax, I wouldn't have to worry about the reliability issues associated with a 686 type of build.

Help me out guys! I really don't know what do. I'd really appreciate any help or advice. If any of you can point me in the right direction....let me know.
 

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I went with a rotax cause I knew I would be headed to the same place your at right now. I sold my engine while it was still good.
You might have a real good chance of finding a used quad with the market being the way it is.
or you could buy a new quad and use the engine, if you get it from desertdog, the engine comes with a 3 year warranty. if you rebuild a rhino engine, it doesn't even come with a 3 minute warranty.
I've beat the crap out of mine and it runs just as strong as the day it was finished and it isn't doing anything more than the factory made it to do.
it really is a no brainer
 

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Yeah, my next step is definitely going to be to get a quote from Chris. I'd be dumb not to.

Because of the reliability issue, I'm really leaning towards the rotax. Luckily, Magnum is getting ready to start offering the swap.....so I'll probably end up going with them. Gives me enough time to start shopping around for an engine.

I found a '06 Outlander with 250 miles on it for $6,800.00. Does that sound like a fair price? Do you think it would be better to stay away from an older motor and continue looking for a newer model?
 

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sorry to hear about your loss;; R I P 686 but really that sucks a motor builder like Alba will sell you 7k worth of shit to make a 686, they should make it mandatory or part of the deal on the rod and crank, if it is so common to go like thath why would they even build like that anyways.

rotax bro, and that too is the same reason i never bothered to 686 my motor, mines in the shop right now will cost me about 6500.00 with a wrecked quad, and thats before i sell a single part, i will re-coupe a minumum of half of that back in the resale of old parts.
 

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Well, the original 686 build cost me a little less than $4 G's. So it wasn't the $7 G's that they're charging me now. Unfortunately, it's like I took a step backwards. Rather than only having to redo some the mods thats were just performed....I'm having to pay for a whole bunch of other misc. items that were destroyed as well.

I tossed around the idea of doing the rotax swap to begin with but I honestly thought it was kind of crazy. But now, all I can say is "Shoulda....Coulda....Woulda". This is the first time I honestly feel sick about the money I'm having to spend to get this thing back on the road.

Mush, where did you look to find the wrecked quad with rotax?
 

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you could check out lvautopro (member) he has that 760 he is willing to get rid of fairly cheap. less tha 5k i think?? i think it only has 1 run and is fresh with the bottom end re-worked PM him here he has crossed over to the dark side, but his 4 sale thread is on the other site..

qoute from RF.http://www.rhinoforums.net/showthread.php?t=15684

new price 4500.00 + shipping

or 4500.00 you pick up in vegas or at desert dog in az.

avilable late july!

motor still in rhino -can hear run.
 

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What is the rotax swap costing these days OTD? I have a blown stock engine I'm looking to rebuild...
 

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I'm back in it:yahoo:

I spoke with the guys over at Alba and they actually ended up helping me out a lot. After getting through a couple of things, I can sum up the entire conversation with this,

"At this point, we do not want to make any money off of you by rebuilding your engine. For us, the most important thing is for you to walk out of here happy with the engine running like we told you it would. You've already taken the time and spent the money to have us do the work in the first place, so let us get you running.":good:

They reworked the original parts list and came back at right about half of what they were initially quoted.

They did say that because I mentioned that my insurance was going to help me out they quoted everything at full retail. Which, in my opinion, is kind of shady....but whatever. Once I explained to them that the insurance was out and I was going to have to come completely out of pocket to pay for the repairs....things turned around quick.

Apparently, rods with fail and after reading all of your responses.....I really don't think that Alba's original build had anything to do with it. I'm just glad I was able to get the repairs started. I was really bumbing there for a while.

Thanks again for all of your help and advice. Especially to Mike over at Unleashed for giving me that quick pep talk I needed to get me to suck it up and feed it to the guys at Alba.

In 2 weeks I'll be back in business.
 

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3g is what I think it should cost at the most . Those crazy shops that want to charge 7g are frickin crazy you can build v8s for that.
 
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