I must be out of the loop? what is all this talk about another forum or some business owner that everybody here is pissed off at? I read peoples comments and i don't know who or for what reason everybody is pissed off at this guy? Is there a company that sells rhino stuff that I should not buy from because they're crooks? just looking for a headsup from you guy's past experience...thanks,cameron..."the wiseman learns from another mans experience"